Second. There must be a pause. and who would want a toilet seat like a de-cocker? the decocker lever which stays down and has to be manually lifted is called safety. It just freaks me out to see and hear that hammer fall on a loaded chamber. Its ALWAYS easier to learn one task (how to manage a single trigger pull weight and movement) than it is to learn two (a long/heavy first-shot pull, followed by a short/light second- and subsequent-shot trigger pulls). Embrace it. I CCW a decocked P07, so I shoot the same system in competition. Obviously not the surplus cop pistol part, but first quality pistol impressions, like first loves, can stay with a person and color their opinions forever. Additionally if every trigger pull is identical muscle memory is easier to develop. Love it. Next, I modified my quick-draw technique to allow for the long trigger pull to overcome the decock and decided it was an advantagein that the first shot would get the opponent moving and once I knew which way he was moving the next several shots without the decock would be taking that into account. She loves her gun, says she shoots it better than her 9 mm compact pistol. TDA guns are designed to be safer carry guns. Regardless, like anything else, you must practice with any weapon system you use. Others, like on the Taurus 24/7 are combined with the manual safety. I have in the past few years disregarded the lever all together except to dexxxx once a round is loaded in the chamber. When youre ready to fire it has no extra steps compared to any other pistol with a manual safety. To decock a pistol safely and easily you should: A. Some objects just make ND so much easier to happen. User: To decock a pistal safely and easily you should safely unload the pistal then utilize the . Wouldnt trade them for anything. Other thumb on spur. Striker pist ols simply don't offer this advantage. People seeme to overlook the fact that we are smarter now from looking at what some smart people came up with back then. Did you make that up, because anyone who follows competitive pistol shooting knows czs dominant production class. Think of it along the lines of S & W). Below are several options and methods to safely decock a pistol. Chambered aand ready to fire, no safety on, DA trigger pull on first shot, SA trigger pull on subsequent. Ive been an instructor in handgun retention and disarming since 1980 and a trainer of other instructors since 1990. I will agree you need to remember to flip the safety lever/de-cocker back to fire if it does double dutype as a safety. This type of technology to protect your marriage. It is carried to defend against unexpected attack. Place your index finger on the trigger and squeeze it gently to fire a round. No different than a DA/SA pistol with the hammer locked back and the safety off. It features a single stage decocking lever. What Is the Most Common Ammunition in the U.S.. I do understand the hoi-ploi of the pistol world disliking the mechanism and operation, as being unnecessarily complex, heavy pull, and maybe inelegant. First of all you should tell the difference between single and Doubble action pistols never lump them together. It really is an extra. If you want to render it safe without the decocker, you can eject the mag and rack the slide just like you would a glock. But I remain convinced that I could load my Python, cock the hammer, and toss it off the top of the Empire State Building, with no fear it would go off. Most da/sa guns have a trigger/hammer block safety (which means the trigger must be pulled back and depressed to align the hammer to the firing pin) similar in function to the glocks trigger safety. The manual safety version of the SP-01, while not as safe as the decocking version, has an advantage over some other pistols with manual safeties. Designed by Piotr Wilniewczyc and Jan Skrzypiski, introduced in 1931/32, the 1911-style pistol chambered in 9mm had a decocker lever on the slide (reminiscent of the Beretta 92F). Simplicity in life-saving equipment = good. I like having a hammer that I can put my thumb over while re-holstering, ensuring that even if something snags the trigger, the gun cant discharge. Many different factors go into discharging a Pistol. My wife, who shoots maybe once a year, ran a tactical course with my CZ. My first semiauto was a Sig P229, after 30 years carrying revolvers, and I loved it *because* it used the same safety plan as a revolver, no safety on the gun except the DA pull, just like a revolver, then SA until decocked. All DA should have De-Cockers It will be a Determining Factor when I purchase a Pistol. Its convenient and easy to use. It also sported a manual safety. Fact: DA trigger pull is still minute of bad guy accurate, and most people dont need anything more than that. if you can easily swap from de- cock to manual (some czs) then this is a non- issue. DA on first round and SA after is pretty simple. There was a 2009 case of a S.W.A.T Magazine writer by the name of Steve Malloy that was killed when his Colt 1903 fell out of his waste band and discharged. I need to get a .357 caliber swap kit at some point in the future- 9mm, .22 and .357 SIG seem like good calibers to have around. Lovely gun for the transition. I took a course once from an ex-cop who said he always carried a 1911 style with the chamber empty and the hammer down (Is that Israeli carry?) Ummm, what was the point of this article??? Thanks for reading the article, Chris and Camsdaddy- I feel very strongly that you must understand the equipment and its features. Decades of (self) training left me with a revolver where I fired a couple shots (normally SA because it is FUN!) No offense but it states rather the obvious. It is kind of a CZ copy, complete with de-cocker. Why are you Glocksuckers always desperately seeking validation? Right, I was thinking of the PP/PPK too. Your choice. Absolutely love my CZs, Got 3; a 75B SA, a P01, and a PCR that is my EDC. Without the added safety, it could have been disastrous. I reside in California. Cooper also came up with stupid ideas like the scout rifle. Pull Trigger. 2023 Springfield Armory. If its hammer was as easy to thumb as my Python, it would have been perfect. Well they did have some but not enough that you read much about them in primary sources. Whether it's your 9mm SD VE or an M&P 380 Shield, very often, new gun owners get irresponsible with their brand-new handguns. I always carry decocked with safety off so it is just like your normal DA/SA. When or if it ever breaks, then Ill consider buying something. On my wifes second lesson with the instructor, the de-cocking safety came into play, as she was mishandling the weapon during a review of the lesson. Not ragging on Taurus-I have 2 . Nam risus ante, dapibus a molestie consequat, ultrices ac magna. Agreed. The procedure I would use for your CZ is 1)place support hand thumb in between hammer and firing pin, 2) pull trigger to release hammer, 3) hammer falls or is guided gently onto your thumb, 4) release trigger (this engages the firing pin block), 5) slowly pull thumb out gently setting hammer onto the half cock position. Cocked and unlocked is the way to describe them. Not if those options are already made before your pistol is stowed. Excellent article. Negligent discharges are always the fault of the OPERATOR, not the OBJECT. In fact, it is actually advantageous when there is a struggle over the gun. KEEP THE HANDGUN POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION Enable the safety if available Use the decocking lever if available Place non-dominant hand thumb between hammer and firing pin Place dominant hand thumb on hammer Maintain pressure on hammer as you squeeze trigger But, lets dig into the details of this incredibly popular and long-lived design to decide for ourselves. That sucker made a bang you could here on the entire floor! Id say it makes the gun safer because you dont have to pull the trigger and then put the hammer down with your thumb when you want it decocked. I still prefer options though. Keep both your eyes open when aiming down sights (or use an optic) for better accuracy and depth perception. and opinions expressed on this website are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the People choose other guns for competition, well, because it is competition different tools for different jobs. I just dont see the hate. Im saying this safety has nothing to do with manual safeties, or with decockers. With practice, savvy lever gun runners can also load the magazine tube through the loading gate while the rifle is on the shoulder. In truth, anyone who can operate a 1911 can operate a DA/SA with a safety. The Decocker gives you more options. I started with a Beretta 92 and use PX4s now. I already voided the lifetime warranty by stripping the slide and polishing it. The Swartz system and other systems on recent guns take care of this problem. Use a Decocking Mechanism when Available. Calling it a Radom is like calling a Buick a Detroit. Fusce dui lectus, congue vel laoreet ac, dictum vitae odio. Carry it that way. The only way to decock is to pull the trigger. Speaking of needless safety and training issues, should we discuss the need to pull the trigger on striker fired gun before disassembly? Weve got the appeal to authority fallacy. True, I would be in prison for a long time for violating stupid laws (not to mention criminal damage to my pretty gun! Yes, by treating it as an SA gun with the hammer down. When it comes to defensive firearms, I prefer simplicity and no extra levers or buttons. Im not talking of using the cops gun against him. If there's a key to doing this, it's doing so slowly and carefully. Dont even get me started on wheel gun guys who can get 12 off with a snub n mere seconds. Carrying a concealed pistol in this method allows you to un-holster the weapon and fire unimpeded by a safety. views and opinions of Springfield Armory. A few specific striker-fired handgun models have a decocking button. Its my favorite 9, above even my S&W 659, and Im a S&W guy. Were personal injuries lawsuits a serious concern in the 1920s Europe? Its called capitalism. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Oh, well. Some are nice, some are bad and some are outright disgusting. I too have always felt that the long D.A. I have had more than a little experience waking up at odd hours and bringing a firearm up and ready. took me a while to trust it. Now I have a Taurus Beretta 92 clone that has a frame mounted safety like a 1911. Thanks. We were introduced to the Walther PPK/S with the DA/SA de-cock operation. These include 1911-style guns, a few other rarer designs, the occasional revolver and those we refer to as de-cocker systems. Guns are like everything else. And it will be a consistent trigger pull that doesnt vary from shot one to shot two, which anyone with training experience can tell you is easier to learn and manage for good results, especially for a novice or folks who dont practice very much (I.E., the average gun owner). There is no decision to make when you draw your gun and have a DA trigger pull on the first shot and SA thereafter. Get exclusive premium content! Plenty of competition shooters use a CZ or 1911 based design and they are great. No offense but that was a really dumb thing to say. This is accomplished with the rifle on the shoulder and in the firing position. Manufacturers needed something marketable that resembled the Hi-Powers operating system, yet didnt invite lawsuits. Rack the slide, raise the safety to safe, then push just a little higher and youll hear the decocker activate. Pretty broad comment. Its called the ViS. How would you apply this to left hand shooters, other than having safety devices on both sides. Things get dropped in fights. Thats what Id do. Put aside all the fancy moves you may have seen in movies and let's dive in! Bullet buttons, magazine disconnect safeties, revolvers that wont let the cylinder swing out give me a decocker over those any day. This is the approach Springfield Armory has taken successfully to its broad line of 1911 pistols. Yeah well I dont give a hoot what the author says. If all you want is a heavier trigger pull to make negligent discharges less likely, get a Glock and install a NY-1 or NY-2 connector, and youre good to go. . And if I sent it in I would be without a carry gun and cant afford to buy a replacement. In all honesty, many police departments, etc, look for a cheap reliable gun (e.g. He wrote that all the negligent/accidental discharges he was aware of had taken place with the Glocks. I would put my skills with my Sig P226 up against your accident waiting to happen plastic POS any day. I agree. He's the author of more than a dozen books and hundreds of articles and has extensive experience as a law enforcement officer, competitive shooter and expert witness. Gawd, I love these articles. And I dont recall the part of the safety rules that says Dont point it at anything you dont want to destroy, unless its a DA/SA, then its totes cool to do so. It all comes down to the mission. Transition to new platform was a cinch, jack round in chamber press lever down, holster, no safety! Different systems work for different people. However, 85 percent of the guns students show up with fall into the polymer, striker-fired category. Use the palm of your non-firing hand to pull the slide back and release it to chamber a round. My FNX .45 has a lever decocker built into the safety lever. Cause you never know . It has long since become a very easy thing to do. If you cant handle them thats your problem. With the adaptation of the Beretta 92 by the US Military in 1980, hundreds of thousands of decocker-equipped firearms have been produced for military, police and non-LEO civilian consumers. If people like them, goody for them because it means absolutely nothing to me. De-cocking lever is down, requiring manual movement up to re-enable the pistol. The Walther decocker (PP, P-38) actually lock the firing pin in position as the safety/decocker iso engaged. Iver Johnsons Safety Automatic was the first revolver that was drop safe with a round under the hammer. The author is a nit-wit and whatever editor let him get published needs to find new work. Massad Ayoob is a renowned firearms expert with decades of experience in the firearms community. Why settle for anything less than the best? I like it, first shot requires commitment and follow ups are simple. Im just content which you embraced this useful details around. My wife loves her Beretta 92, and really won;t carry anything else. http://excellentkeylogger.com More Information Whether you are looking to download for yourself. You can do the same thing you do with any glock without a decocker. Logs can be taken lightly. Just because you or people around you call it something else does not make you or them right. When the gun is completely ready to fire, it will not go off without a finger on the trigger. These And the hard primer crap is usually just that crap. The things just work, and work well! Re: SP-01 and level of safety when decocking the hammer: The decocking version is the safest. I do think there is a slightly greater learning curve with DA/SA, but its certainly not what the striker partisans make it out to be. My backup was a S&W 442 because of the DA only trigger and light weight. The first pull will be stiffer, but thatwont matter much in a fight for your life scenario, and its only heavy on the first shot. Both are drop safe. One Simple Trick for Keeping Your Guns Incredibly Clean, The Four Rules of Gun Safety for New Gun Ownersand Everyone Else [VIDEO], How to Make Sure Your Shotgun Really Fits You, https://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/witness-elite-gold-team-tanfoglio-76, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE, http://www.taurususa.com/product-details.cfm?id=169&category=Pistol. If you have any questions about the right way to handle or care for your firearms, our knowledgeable staff are here to help. Personally, this is not my preferred method of keeping the gun ready as I've found condition 2 to be the most fumble prone. I transitioned to semi pistols from revolvers in 1986 when I got a Sig P-226. And yet thats EXACTLY how Glocks are designed to be carried, and ARE carried by the thousands of police and private owners. Besides that the DoD frowns upon the use of military rank for commercial purposes which Guns & Ammo certainly was unless it is clearly stated that the person is retired. The Dexx/Safety on your 3913 gives you an option of manual safety, if you want it. I'm not sure if that's great long term without a flag or dummy round in place. True. Wouldnt trade any of them for some plastic bullshit pistol. Two Stage de-cockers are usually a lever (not a button). Loading a pistol can be more complicated than it looks for a new gun owner. They are both single action semi automatics. The designer, a guy named John Browning, did not intend that. Im open to be educated but I personally have never heard of a ND induced by a de-cocking lever failing. Still have it to this day & will Love it to my grave. It was also common practice to carry only 5 rounds and align the cylinder so the hammer would fall on the empty chamber if accidentally discharged. Heres what Ive discovered . It blocks the hammer locking pin for moving and keeps so when you move the tigger locking pin to the moves it out. They offer no tangible safety benefit. Nam risus ante, dapibus a molestie c, View answer & additonal benefits from the subscription, Explore recently answered questions from the same subject, Explore documents and answered questions from similar courses. You are a moron. Having a gun you can disengage and yet still fire without moving the slide is bad? Really? Yep. What a joke, you have no business teaching anyone about firearms. Seems to cater to Glock leg victims or those who read about handguns online Call of Duty players? 35, you have it labeled Beretta 92F, hammer down, trigger forward.. Hard to hear it through his pants as he talks out of his ass. Why? Bullshit. NO ONE is that good with a DA/SA (fired DA-first-shot, the way it was intended to be used). the sig p22x decocker is a positive release you have control of the hammer through the decock lever the whole time . However, some complain that this system can affect the 1911s enviably crisp and clean trigger pull. When drawn, the trigger is found in its most forward position, and requires a long, heavy press as it mechanically cocks the hammer for the first shot. Make sure each round is fully seated in the magazine. I made the point that it had a thumb and grip safety and Id carry it in a thumb break holster with leather between the hammer and frame. Also anyone who is good enough to compete will have zero issues mastering a double action first trigger pull. In this write-up, we'd like to take you through different aspects of pistol usage and care. Question is more around why would you want to carry a 1911 decocked chambered when its not really the design. Are they accurate under deliberate slow-fire conditions? Tenth? My fed job took me to SIG 228s and then a 220 with a brief moment again with a Springfield Armory Professional 1911. So, the bulk of practice is spent mastering the double action trigger, which is not bad on even stock CZs. So youre absolutely wrong on that point. Well, whatever the difference is in terminology but yes, either decocking the hammer or lowering it safely to virtually the same spot in rest while the weapon is loaded. Clear your muzzle to ensure nothing interferes with its line of sight. If running a decocker is tough to learn and put into practice, you might re-think armed self defense and carry a baseball bat. Holstering the 1911 as shown in the accompanying picture, with thumb on hammer, ensures the grip safety is engaged and the gun cannot discharge even if the shooter has neglected to push the thumb safety upward into the on-safe position. Look at this competition (CZ based copy) DA/SA pistol: Well, .40 Baby Eagle more accurately. Double action revolver like trigger with added benefit of automatic resetting to single action for following shots is great idea. It comes down to a reliable weapon and solid training more than anything else. Block Certain GamesGames are most infected operating systems. That what the DS means. The average person carrying was not apt to be involved in a gun fight. Mine was made in Dec. 2010 according to the S/N. In fact, they create needless safety and training issues.. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. This writer submits that both should be used. Target shooting, you know. . Nam risus ante, icsque dapibus efficitur laoreet. has a decocker. I can carry it either cocked and locked, OR as a DA by thumbing down the hammer. If that person ever has to fire or even just draw his gun in self-defense, theres an excellent chance that the first arriving police officer will command, Drop that weapon! If they dont comply, theyre likely to get shot. Use a utility brush, lubricant, cleaning patch, and dry cloth to clean the slide, frame, and chamber. In fact, they create needless safety and training issues. $200 for it, or Enhanced Warranty. The guy always had strong opinions and spread misinformation that in the pre-internet age could not be easily challenged such as his claim that the 1911 was designed to be carried cock and locked.
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